How do we encourage new people into the sport ?

Actually my 'treading on eggshells' wasnt about bad language, it was more about inserting children into an adult environment where they really dont belong due to their immaturity, a dedicated family session once a week or so would be great to encourage them.
For the record,
I dont swear at home or in public and have never smoked, vaped or drunk alcohol in the company of children and abhor those that do
 
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This is now trending to how do we get children involved, the reality should be how do we encourage the parents to be involved ?
The parents are after all the ones, who will fund the participation and support the children
I for one don’t want unaccompanied kids dropped off at the club with the expectation that the existing members will in effect be unpaid child minders.
I’ve seen this happen in other sports and quite a few parents would do this as seen by kids running amok on holidays, fetes etc etc
We need to convince the parents that shooting is a safe and inclusive sport where they can bring their families and participate in a fun safe manner
If the parents and children tell their friends how much fun they’ve had, the word will spread and hopefully more parents will be encouraged, but as long as the parents buy into the dangerous sport rhetoric you are on a non starter
As I stated earlier just one celebrity who is seen to participate and promote via social media will bring far greater support than most of the suggestions already offered
Of course we will then have the issue of where do all these newcomers shoot, most clubs have waiting lists and it’s becoming harder to secure suitable shooting venues
Life is not like it used to be, people now have greater expectations, so safe venues are a necessity with adequate insurance, facilities and so on
 
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This is now trending to how do we get children involved, the reality should be how do we encourage the parents to be involved ?
The parents are after all the ones, who will fund the participation and support the children
I for one don’t want unaccompanied kids dropped off at the club with the expectation that the existing members will in effect be unpaid child minders.
I’ve seen this happen in other sports and quite a few parents would do this as seen by kids running amok on holidays, fetes etc etc
We need to convince the parents that shooting is a safe and inclusive sport where they can bring their families and participate in a fun safe manner
If the parents and children tell their friends how much fun they’ve had, the word will spread and hopefully more parents will be encouraged, but as long as the parents buy into the dangerous sport rhetoric you are on a non starter
As I stated earlier just one celebrity who is seen to participate and promote via social media will bring far greater support than most of the suggestions already offered
Of course we will then have the issue of where do all these newcomers shoot, most clubs have waiting lists and it’s becoming harder to secure suitable shooting venues
Life is not like it used to be, people now have greater expectations, so safe venues are a necessity with adequate insurance, facilities and so on

Getting children or teenagers involved is a completely separate question from
"unaccompanied kids dropped off at the club with the expectation that the existing members will in effect be unpaid child minders."

Looks a bit of a "Straw Man" argument to my way of thinking.

Nobody here has suggested anything resembling thst AFAIK.

In my own case, my 15 year old Grand daughter was under constant close supervision - her younger brothers will receive no lless vigilance when their time comes.
 
Getting children or teenagers involved is a completely separate question from
"unaccompanied kids dropped off at the club with the expectation that the existing members will in effect be unpaid child minders."

Looks a bit of a "Straw Man" argument to my way of thinking.

Nobody here has suggested anything resembling thst AFAIK.

In my own case, my 15 year old Grand daughter was under constant close supervision - her younger brothers will receive no lless vigilance when their time comes.
Why is it a straw argument? What I’m saying is that parents family need to be encouraged, you are twisting to suit your narrative and I support taking children to a club and more than welcome their participation
I am saying the parents and family need to be encouraged, no good encouraging just the children they can’t go by themselves
AFAIK I don’t remember me or anyone stating it either
It’s great you support your grandchildren but not everyone does and that’s reality
 
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Why is it a straw argument? What I’m saying is that parents family need to be encouraged, you are twisting to suit your narrative and I support taking children to a club and more than welcome their participation
I am saying the parents and family need to be encouraged, no good encouraging the children they can’t go by themselves
AFAIK I don’t remember me or anyone stating it either
It’s great you support your grandchildren but not everyone does and that’s reality

If quoting your words directly counts as "twisting" your comment then I plead Guilty!

AFAIK nobody else has mentioned or even hinted at
"unaccompanied kids " or
"unpaid child minders."

So please explain how I am allegedly misrepresenting your comment.

However, I am glad that we agree that parents and families should be encouraged - the whole thrust of my comments on this thread.
 
All of the clubs I belong to require anyone under 18 to be accompanied by a 'parent or guardian'.
The majority of juniors that I know that shoot, though not all, are shooting alongside a parent, so that would look to be the obvious route through which they've come into the sport.

For many years our secret Weapon against overzeaous male egos at Cambridge was 'Larissa', one of our juniors who regularly outshot everybody (I was dying for her to turn up in a gingham dress with bunches and a jaunty skip just to rub it in). The club fundrose for new ISSF kit for her as she ended up on the British Team at the Commonwealth Games and Rio,
 
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If quoting your words directly counts as "twisting" your comment then I plead Guilty!

AFAIK nobody else has mentioned or even hinted at
"unaccompanied kids " or
"unpaid child minders."

So please explain how I am allegedly misrepresenting your comment.

However, I am glad that we agree that parents and families should be encouraged - the whole thrust of my comments on this thread.
You are selecting parts of my post, quoting them out of context and using them to support your narrative
It’s great you support your family, not everyone does that and yes I’ve seen children left with the expectation other people take responsibility for them
My partner used to own a nursery and she had children left upto 3 hrs after the expected collection time, not all parents are what they should be and seem to absolve themselves for any responsibility
We do agree that parental or family involvement is essential and should be positively encouraged
 
I think personally the gamefairs are a way in but the should be free for non members instead of preaching to the converted .you get get half the dog owners on your side quite quickly regarding fireworks with the gundog training
 
Is the sporting side of airgunning confined to clubs and ranges these days?,
I understood the thread was about how to encourage new people into the sport which surely must include rough shooting which i am a great enthusiast of,
fwiw, i havnt been on a range since about 1974 and last shot for sport about 10 minutes ago.
 
All of the clubs I belong to require anyone under 18 to be accompanied by a 'parent or guardian'.
The majority of juniors that I know that shoot, though not all, are shooting alongside a parent, so that would look to be the obvious route through which they've come into the sport.

For many years our secret Weapon against overzeaous male egos at Cambridge was 'Larissa', one of our juniors who regularly outshot everybody (I was dying for her to turn up in a gingham dress with bunches and a jaunty skip just to rub it in). The club fundrose for new ISSF kit for her as she ended up on the British Team at the Commonwealth Games and Rio,
She had good coaching at Shepreth😉
The kid with the pink stocked BSA Ultra “did good”!
 
Is the sporting side of airgunning confined to clubs and ranges these days?,
I understood the thread was about how to encourage new people into the sport which surely must include rough shooting which i am a great enthusiast of,
fwiw, i havnt been on a range since about 1974 and last shot for sport about 10 minutes ago.
There are still rough shoots but even they are on the decline, local politics and environmental concerns, all adding to the demise
Environmentalists have high profile “celebrity’s “ supporting there cause such as Chris Packham, we need someone similar but in reality it would be akin to putting their head in the Lions mouth as there is so much ill feeling towards shooting and country pursuits in general
 
I dont really mean organised shooting,
I meant on private land with the owners permission type shooting, its surely still sport.
 
Another thing as well just like fishing you cant just rock up and have a go .you need a rod licence I think you could have a licence for fishing where you sign up it's free for a period of say 6 months no matter what age you could do the same with shooting insurance so you could go it costs nothing your in take your clay pigeon shooting yes you can have a go but it's literally 50 quid minimum half a hour I also think that every door whether it be air rifle .shotgun. fishing whether target or quarry lead down the same path get them in any door you can
 
It would’ve interesting to see the numbers, ages and demographics for competitive Airgun target shooting vs competitive Airsoft.

Years ago, I was running the Daystate “have-a-go” range at the ill fated Bisley Live event.
Tony Belas introduced me to the owner of Archant publishing, who was interested in the numbers, from HFT and FT national events.

When I informed him that 180-200 was a good turnout, he was shocked. He told me Airsoft events attracted thousands of competitors and the circulation for the dedicated Airsoft magazines was over tenfold that of the Airgun mags.

I imagine Airsoft is a much more accessible sport and many more younger shooters are attracted to that discipline.

I am sure there must be members of the AGF who will have more up to date information as to he health of that discipline.

The other thing that is significant, post pandemic society is lower trust and financially much poorer.
 
It would’ve interesting to see the numbers, ages and demographics for competitive Airgun target shooting vs competitive Airsoft.

Years ago, I was running the Daystate “have-a-go” range at the ill fated Bisley Live event.
Tony Belas introduced me to the owner of Archant publishing, who was interested in the numbers, from HFT and FT national events.

When I informed him that 180-200 was a good turnout, he was shocked. He told me Airsoft events attracted thousands of competitors and the circulation for the dedicated Airsoft magazines was over tenfold that of the Airgun mags.

I imagine Airsoft is a much more accessible sport and many more younger shooters are attracted to that discipline.

I am sure there must be members of the AGF who will have more up to date information as to he health of that discipline.

The other thing that is significant, post pandemic society is lower trust and financially much poorer.
This makes interesting reading and supports your post
 
I've been mulling over the idea of running a regular "kids" detail at my club now. We have some ex-scouts members that have experience actually running those details for the kids, the only issue is that the club is extremely hesitant to advertise our presence. I'm currently reading the W.H Fuller "Small-Bore Target Shooting" book and even the very decorated shooter intimates that it really is a "word of mouth" thing so as to keep under the radar of the pearl-clutchers.

I have a bit of a preference for an indelicate approach, it is a very serious sport that goes all the way to the olympics, but I can appreciate the fear in the old guard about broadcasting our presence.

Speaking to the ex-scouts leaders, it seems like there are internal pressures that have made shooting less and less viable from a practical standpoint, the organisation imposes more internal rules about what and how and when you can shoot, eventually it became so onerous to continue running those details that they just gave up. At an NSRA/NRA affiliated club, we don't have any ulterior motives that would limit shooting, we'd just need some extremely plain rules that young shooters can easily understand, incentives to improve their marksmanship over time, and good, positive community outreach.

I have always been interested in shooting, it has never gone away over my whole life - but it is only now that I have the opportunity to pursue my hobby, and I want to use that opportunity to remove the barrier for all the kids out there that want to shoot seriously.

If any of you out there run such details, I would be TREMENDOUSLY interested in hearing from you.
 
You are selecting parts of my post, quoting them out of context and using them to support your narrative
It’s great you support your family, not everyone does that and yes I’ve seen children left with the expectation other people take responsibility for them
My partner used to own a nursery and she had children left upto 3 hrs after the expected collection time, not all parents are what they should be and seem to absolve themselves for any responsibility
We do agree that parental or family involvement is essential and should be positively encouraged

Your previous post, in full - with added emphases from me.
Full wording = full context.

"This is now trending to how do we get children involved, the reality should be how do we encourage the parents to be involved ?
The parents are after all the ones, who will fund the participation and support the children
I for one don’t want unaccompanied kids dropped off at the club with the expectation that the existing members will in effect be unpaid child minders.
I’ve seen this happen in other sports and quite a few parents would do this as seen by kids running amok on holidays, fetes etc etc
We need to convince the parents that shooting is a safe and inclusive sport where they can bring their families and participate in a fun safe manner
If the parents and children tell their friends how much fun they’ve had, the word will spread and hopefully more parents will be encouraged, but as long as the parents buy into the dangerous sport rhetoric you are on a non starter
As I stated earlier just one celebrity who is seen to participate and promote via social media will bring far greater support than most of the suggestions already offered
Of course we will then have the issue of where do all these newcomers shoot, most clubs have waiting lists and it’s becoming harder to secure suitable shooting venues
Life is not like it used to be, people now have greater expectations, so safe venues are a necessity with adequate insurance, facilities and so on"

Perhaps you can now explain how the rest of your post means that my earlier comments were, as you said,
"selecting parts of my post, quoting them out of context and using them to support your narrative" -
in order to avoid any further confusion, please?

My "narrative" has been to encourage new blood into the sport, in my view encouraging families means just that - "families."

At no point before your comments above had I mentioned "unaccompanied kids" or "unpaid childminders" - nor had anyone else AFAIK.
Please correct me if I am wrong!

Straw Man from Wiki
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"Exaggerating (sometimes grossly) an opponent's argument, then attacking this exaggerated version."

My contention is that your introduction of the ideas of "unaccompanied kids" and "unpaid child miders" into the debate fits with the "exaggerating an opponent's argument" bit in order to undermine my more moderate original point.
 
You are sounding more and more like a politician, selecting partial comments as indicated by your willingness to highlight only parts of my post rather than in its entirety, using it to be offended rather than take it in its entirety and then choosing to take it as a personal attack against you
My contention is that you are choosing to be personally offended
The act of being offended when no offense was intended is frequently described as a choice or personal reaction
Anyway this is becoming argumentative and bringing nothing to the thread
So I will leave it there and just for clarity I’m neither upset or offended, enjoy the rest of your day
 
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