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A bit of a rant re dog owners in the countryside.

Redwill said:
Good job many of these owners today did not live where and WHEN I grew up. The local farmers were not tolerant to Dogs near livestock or Pheasant pens and would not hesitate in reaching for and using a 12 gauge which was almost always to hand in their Land Rover or such like.
My parents suffered this back in the early 1950's when their dog escaped from their garden and was shot by the landowner who my Father was working for and renting a cottage from. Mother never totally forgave him but accepted the fact her Terrier was a little bugger when near Chickens etc.
Not sure if landowners have the freedom to do it today as they did back then.
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The law has just been updated with much higher penalties, farmers have always been able to shoot dogs that attack or worry livestock.
www.bbc.co.uk

Dog owners face unlimited fines under new sheep worrying law

The penalties for failing to keep dogs under control near livestock are becoming more severe.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I fully understand that anyone who does not have a dog being angry about fouling and bags of poo all over the place.
I'm a dog owner and I also do litter picking, but dog poo is difficult to remove when you can't wash your hands. I have made some real improvements in reducing litter where I walk my dog but dog poo is more difficult to remove and doesn't mix well with other litter.
The situation has been much worse since the Covid lockdowns.
Most dog owners are like me, they pick up their dogs mess and leave the area tidy for others to enjoy.
 
whathesmeg said:
The law has just been updated with much higher penalties, farmers have always been able to shoot dogs that attack or worry livestock.
www.bbc.co.uk

Dog owners face unlimited fines under new sheep worrying law

The penalties for failing to keep dogs under control near livestock are becoming more severe.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I fully understand that anyone who does not have a dog being angry about fouling and bags of poo all over the place.
I'm a dog owner and I also do litter picking, but dog poo is difficult to remove when you can't wash your hands. I have made some real improvements in reducing litter where I walk my dog but dog poo is more difficult to remove and doesn't mix well with other litter.
The situation has been much worse since the Covid lockdowns.
Most dog owners are like me, they pick up their dogs mess and leave the area tidy for others to enjoy.
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If one sees their local chemist, they stock boxes of Nitrile exam gloves & hand sanitizer, to boot ... Perhaps offending dog owners need to avail themselves of a chemist's services & get a clue, to boot.👍
 
The main reason for picking up dog poo is this: -

Dog poo is dangerous to young children, primarily due to the risk of toxocariasis, an infection caused by roundworm larvae found in dog feces. These larvae can cause serious symptoms, including fever, abdominal pain, asthma, and, in rare cases, permanent vision loss or blindness.

Key Dangers to Young Children:
  • Toxocariasis Infection: Eggs found in dog poo, soil, or sand can hatch into larvae when ingested, spreading to organs like the liver, lungs, or eyes.
  • Persistent Contamination: Toxocara eggs can become infectious after a few weeks and remain in the soil for up to two years.
  • Parasites & Bacteria: Dog waste can contain harmful bacteria and parasites, including E. coli, Salmonella, hookworms, and Giardia.
  • High Transmission Risk: Children playing in gardens or parks are more likely to touch contaminated soil or sand and, by touching their mouths, become infected.
Clearly people who don't clean up after their dog don't care about this.
 
whathesmeg said:
The main reason for picking up dog poo is this: -

Dog poo is dangerous to young children, primarily due to the risk of toxocariasis, an infection caused by roundworm larvae found in dog feces. These larvae can cause serious symptoms, including fever, abdominal pain, asthma, and, in rare cases, permanent vision loss or blindness.

Key Dangers to Young Children:
  • Toxocariasis Infection: Eggs found in dog poo, soil, or sand can hatch into larvae when ingested, spreading to organs like the liver, lungs, or eyes.
  • Persistent Contamination: Toxocara eggs can become infectious after a few weeks and remain in the soil for up to two years.
  • Parasites & Bacteria: Dog waste can contain harmful bacteria and parasites, including E. coli, Salmonella, hookworms, and Giardia.
  • High Transmission Risk: Children playing in gardens or parks are more likely to touch contaminated soil or sand and, by touching their mouths, become infected.
Clearly people who don't clean up after their dog don't care about this.
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Most formerly innocuous things these days are hazardous to children... This is the unintended bi - product of no outside play & skinned knees & elbows, helicopter parents, too clean homes & video games as entertainment.... Kids these days have not the level of resistance to things that we older gents have/ had. As a society we've " pussified" our youth, to detriment, in regard to immunity & bodily fortitude.
 
chouchin66 said:
Most formerly innocuous things these days are hazardous to children... This is the unintended bi - product of no outside play & skinned knees & elbows, helicopter parents, too clean homes & video games as entertainment.... Kids these days have not the level of resistance to things that we older gents have/ had. As a society we've " pussified" our youth, to detriment, in regard to immunity & bodily fortitude.
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Up to a point, yes but . . . .

Toxocara canis was only recognised in the 1940s, I believe.
Causing blindness is rare but not unheard of.

Responsible dog owners worm their dogs regularly - but they also pick up the poo.
The worry as always is the threat from the irresponsible, feckless, lazy etc owners.

Personally, I try as hard as possible to be 100% efficient about this and "flick" other dogs' poo at least out of the centre of the footpaths and into the undergrowth etc where we walk.
 
If you let your dog sh"t on the grass verge and leave it weather depending it might be there a couple of weeks. Leave it on the pavement people will tread in it and move it so probably last maybe a week. Let your dog sh"t on the football or rugby pitch early on a Saturday morning it'll be gone in 90 minutes. It's a no brainer.
 
Byronic said:
Up to a point, yes but . . . .

Toxocara canis was only recognised in the 1940s, I believe.
Causing blindness is rare but not unheard of.

Responsible dog owners worm their dogs regularly - but they also pick up the poo.
The worry as always is the threat from the irresponsible, feckless, lazy etc owners.

Personally, I try as hard as possible to be 100% efficient about this and "flick" other dogs' poo at least out of the centre of the footpaths and into the undergrowth etc where we walk.
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I get where you're comin' from, Byron, however, as previously stated by me, there's a plethora of nitrile gloves available; kids these days are far & away , I think, less resilient than " we " are, for reasons mentioned. I' m gonna go out on a very short limb here - you've never worked cows...
You get your hands dirty there, you wipe ' em on your jeans, put a fresh dip of snuff in your lip & carry on...
You stick a calf with a 7 way vaccine, cut his cojones off ( later BBQd) , brand his hip, put a " Ral - Gro" in his ear & send him back to momma.... The same Case " Stockman" knife you used for castratin' cuts your personal steak at supper - rinsed under a hose pipe & wiped on your jeans...
Resiliance.
 
chouchin66 said:
I get where you're comin' from, Byron, however, as previously stated by me, there's a plethora of nitrile gloves available; kids these days are far & away , I think, less resilient than " we " are, for reasons mentioned. I' m gonna go out on a very short limb here - you've never worked cows...
You get your hands dirty there, you wipe ' em on your jeans, put a fresh dip of snuff in your lip & carry on...
You stick a calf with a 7 way vaccine, cut his cojones off ( later BBQd) , brand his hip, put a " Ral - Gro" in his ear & send him back to momma.... The same Case " Stockman" knife you used for castratin' cuts your personal steak at supper - rinsed under a hose pipe & wiped on your jeans...
Resiliance.
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I am not disputing any of that Chris.

However, cow poo does not carry any risk of Toxocara Canis.

Yes, many children today live in virtual cocoons which are completely unnecessary and Over The Top.
Absolutely.

My Grandpa always said
"You've got to eat a peck of dirt before you die."

But some risks should not arise.
Dogs need to be wormed regularly and all their poop needs to be picked up every time.
This is simply taking care of your dog and showing a little respect for your fellow humans - not setting the bar too high, is it?
 
Byronic said:
I am not disputing any of that Chris.

However, cow poo does not carry any risk of Toxocara Canis.

Yes, many children today live in virtual cocoons which are completely unnecessary and Over The Top.
Absolutely.

My Grandpa always said
"You've got to eat a peck of dirt before you die."

But some risks should not arise.
Dogs need to be wormed regularly and all their poop needs to be picked up every time.
This is simply taking care of your dog and showing a little respect for your fellow humans - not setting the bar too high, is it?
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Not at all, Byron. The greater point I was on about, no matter the kingdom/ phylum/ class / order/ family/ genus/ species; the lack of built up/ in immunity to sickness is a direct connect to " proper hygiene". I've stepped ( barefoot) in dog deposits, cow deposits... et al: ...the fact remains, that if coddled, you'll suffer, no matter the malady/ risk to hand. Just as masks during the " C" word were useless, so to the uninitiated human body to what may lurk in animal bi - product. Pardon me - I've a Scrub Jay that'll be jammin' up my quail chicks, that needs tendin' to. 👍
 
chouchin66 said:
Not at all, Byron. The greater point I was on about, no matter the kingdom/ phylum/ class / order/ family/ genus/ species; the lack of built up/ in immunity to sickness is a direct connect to " proper hygiene". I've stepped ( barefoot) in dog deposits, cow deposits... et al: ...the fact remains, that if coddled, you'll suffer, no matter the malady/ risk to hand. Just as masks during the " C" word were useless, so to the uninitiated human body to what may lurk in animal bi - product.
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I agree on the broader picture

However, one of my dearest friends was born in1953 and repeatedly Hospitalised with life threatening but unexplained symptoms throughout her childhood.
Perfecty normal 1950s London family, comfortably off but not rich.
It was only after some years of this pattern that anybody realised that it was an extreme allergy to exposure to fish- even the smell was enough to trigger an attack.

Some allergies are very real.
She was near death a number of times - leaves me wondering how many other kids were not lucky enough to pull through?
She is still going strong, remarkably fit for an old lady - but still having to avoid all fish.
 
Byronic said:
I agree on the broader picture

However, one of my dearest friends was born in1953 and repeatedly Hospitalised with life threatening but unexplained symptoms throughout her childhood.
Perfecty normal 1950s London family, comfortably off but not rich.
It was only after some years of this pattern that anybody realised that it was an extreme allergy to exposure to fish- even the smell was enough to trigger an attack.
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Some kids can't be close to peanut butter either...natural, or inherited from factory farming/ domestic " sanitary" condition ? ...shellfish I can understand - iodine, but, peanut/ nut allergy ?...brought on by lack of childhood introduction to things ...
 
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whathesmeg said:
The main reason for picking up dog poo is this: -

Dog poo is dangerous to young children, primarily due to the risk of toxocariasis, an infection caused by roundworm larvae found in dog feces. These larvae can cause serious symptoms, including fever, abdominal pain, asthma, and, in rare cases, permanent vision loss or blindness.

Key Dangers to Young Children:
  • Toxocariasis Infection: Eggs found in dog poo, soil, or sand can hatch into larvae when ingested, spreading to organs like the liver, lungs, or eyes.
  • Persistent Contamination: Toxocara eggs can become infectious after a few weeks and remain in the soil for up to two years.
  • Parasites & Bacteria: Dog waste can contain harmful bacteria and parasites, including E. coli, Salmonella, hookworms, and Giardia.
  • High Transmission Risk: Children playing in gardens or parks are more likely to touch contaminated soil or sand and, by touching their mouths, become infected.
Clearly people who don't clean up after their dog don't care about this.
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It is also a danger to livestock.

www.nfus.org.uk

Dog Walkers Urged to Clean Up Faeces on Farmland

www.nfus.org.uk

My brother in law had to tell a dog walker to pick her dogs poop when he saw it crapping in his field and she left it lying. The right to roam does not also give you the right leave your dogs crap in a farmers field.
 
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1260engineer said:
We get the same thing around here . dickheads that thinks its ok to have there dogs off leads running all over the place interfering with other owners and dogs phisses me right off when ive spent hours .days months and now over a year training little Meg .
thankfully i can get away from these idiots .
coz Meg would rather be in with the lambs and sheep than have to put up with the morons

Meg when even the lambs think WTF 🤣😂🤣😂
when you have control at over 250 yds
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As a dog owner for 60 years with no history of problems with any of our dogs the one thing I have learned is , Any dog or animal ,no matter how well trained, will do exactly what you want UNTIL it thinks of something more interesting. They are all animals with a mind of their own.
 
I never trust other dogs or owners with my Bella's safety (Lab x Pointer) unless we've met before and I know it's safe. She is trained to walk next to my left heal (gun in right elbow). Unless I say 'go see', then she has a little wander. Around all livestock she is perfectly safe. Spent yesterday range testing in a valley packed with Ewes and lambs.

Due to the risk of other, larger aggressive breeds (and their A-hole owners) I regularly see, I always carry a walking stick made of thick, almost straight Hazel (slightly burned / tempered) and the handle is 6 inch M12 bolt. She was attacked two years ago by a Bully Mastiff cross and managed to out-run it (lost her for nearly an hour). Never again will I put her at risk.
 
redlig said:
As a dog owner for 60 years with no history of problems with any of our dogs the one thing I have learned is , Any dog or animal ,no matter how well trained, will do exactly what you want UNTIL it thinks of something more interesting. They are all animals with a mind of their own.
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So right.
Makes me nervous when folks say “ah my dog is 100% safe with my new baby” er excuse me your baby is just a squeaky new toy !!

I was brought up with dogs both boarded and lost/abandoned/seized (council contracts)
For almost 20yrs I was surrounded by almost every breed you can think. I’ve learnt that NO dog is ever 100% predictable and I’ve seen the absolute horrific injuries and aggression dogs can deliver when they actually mean it.
Not just a nip or a growl I mean proper flesh been ripped and torn from bones!!
 
Tosh said:
So right.
Makes me nervous when folks say “ah my dog is 100% safe with my new baby” er excuse me your baby is just a squeaky new toy !!

I was brought up with dogs both boarded and lost/abandoned/seized (council contracts)
For almost 20yrs I was surrounded by almost every breed you can think. I’ve learnt that NO dog is ever 100% predictable and I’ve seen the absolute horrific injuries and aggression dogs can deliver when they actually mean it.
Not just a nip or a growl I mean proper flesh been ripped and torn from bones!!
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There is a saying would you leave your children unsupervised? with a gun so why would you do it with a dog
 
COVID changed a lot for walking our dogs around the village we live in and the local area, for both the dogs and the volume of walkers out on footpaths and bridleways that previously were hardly used.

Our 2 Vizslas struggled with why we stopped and stood away from the path and let others past maintaining 2+ metre separation and why they were spending more time on lead when they had previously had alot of freedom, arable farming not near livestock...

Post COVID we have ended up just taking them in the car to get to the walks that are still very quiet and where you rarely see a soul rather than trapse the paths that are still well used right next to the village.

For us it means we are seeing different scenery and views and for the dogs maybe the odd new scent once in a while.

Dog ownership isn't meant to be easy, it's a commitment rather than a fashion statement and I think alot of the folk discussed here don't see it that way and believe they have an entitlement to do whatever they want in life not just dog ownership
 
Dog waste bin near where I live .

If its full then take it home or find another. Don't throw them on the ground next to full bin.
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