Irresponsible owners 😔.

GridNorth said:
Well no! Why would they? Why should they? The vast majority never have and never will have any interest in owning a gun.
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I did suspect it's down to the UK being a very different country to my own, true...

Here handling a gun is like basic traffic knowledge.

It's highly likely a child might encounter a firearm during it's upbringing and then it's important to know what to do - and more importantly - not to do with it.

A little like how to behave when crossing a crowded street or safely maneuver a push bike in traffic.

Kind of basic survival skills, not push a paperclip into a voltage outlet, don't infringe the personal space of a growling dog tied outside a shop, learn how to swim, how to behave around horses, how to handle a knife etc...
 
DanH said:
Not the case at all, in the U.K. all 11-14 year olds have to do 4 hours gun training per week.
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Here it's an optional after school activity, available from middle school (10-12 year), often airgun shooting at 10 meters.

After school activity is arranged in schools and the idea is to arrange organized activities under adult supervision for children with working parents so they don't arrive home to being alone and perhaps doing mischief.

It's a wide array of activities, like building scale models, learn arts and crafts, playing different games, including roleplaying, throwing darts etc...

In high school (13-16 years), rimfires at 50 meters are available, to a symbolic costs, and a hunters exam is possible to achieve, as is studying for a AM moped drivers license or the basic nautical authorization, certificate for short wave radio, naval navigation etc...

Here the intention is to keep youngsters out of pretty crime and gang life rather than combat loneliness...
 
It's a shame that we don't have a few of our government ministers amongst our membership. That might give them some fresh ideas!
 
JohnnySweden said:
Here it's an optional after school activity, available from middle school (10-12 year), often airgun shooting at 10 meters.

After school activity is arranged in schools and the idea is to arrange organized activities under adult supervision for children with working parents so they don't arrive home to being alone and perhaps doing mischief.

It's a wide array of activities, like building scale models, learn arts and crafts, playing different games, including roleplaying, throwing darts etc...

In high school (13-16 years), rimfires at 50 meters are available, to a symbolic costs, and a hunters exam is possible to achieve, as is studying for a AM moped drivers license or the basic nautical authorization, certificate for short wave radio, naval navigation etc...

Here the intention is to keep youngsters out of pretty crime and gang life rather than combat loneliness...
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Why O why can't the morons in power here learn from good examples set in other countries.
 
Gareth Tee said:
Why O why can't the morons in power here learn from good examples set in other countries.
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Evaluation have provided it as a very cost effective pro active system to prevent troubled children from evolving into a criminal life.

Provide them with responsible interested adults as rolemodels and guides, a meaningful and interesting past time with an increasing demand of attention and effort to be likewise more and more rewarding results and they are getting trapped into a sound lifestyle, to the gain of both the society and the individual.

A prime example is sports (not only shooting) and music, hence the latter resulting in the Swedish success as a music creating nation.

Fun fact, music interested youngsters with the help of after school gained knowledge in computer science and business economics created the now well known (even internationally) music company known as Spotify...

Another example is SweMix, sprung from after school activities, evolving into Cheiron Studios attracting the young Max Martin, not to mention Tim Bergling aged 16 starting off mixing music in after school activity warping into the Avicii persona.
 
I dosent stop there at rfd shops it was rife at last years shooting show..
Shotguns cocked even by well known shops in Dorchester,cfire with bolts cocked people shouldering cocked rifles pointing at others even me..
Even heard one bloke say YEAH TOLD FEO ITS BOLTED TO THE WALL some one could break in an walk off with it as its not..
 
JohnnySweden said:
Sounds like very few people in the UK has a basic gun training, perhaps not even had one in school... 🙄
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That is absolutely true. School shooting lessons have been a fantasy for 99% of Brits for many, many years. The majority of the population go their whole lives without ever picking up a gun of any kind. This is why we have such restrictive gun laws, because shooters have not been a significant percentage of the population for several generations, we will always be outvoted by the vast number of people who are either not interested or actively against us.
 
Kinda like @JohnnySweden , growing up, we had guns in the house, never in a locked cabinet...they weren' t loaded, but a box of ammo was to hand & both my sister & I were taught to never touch, what they were for & shown, graphically, what they could do.
A shotgun hitting a watermelon gets the point driven firmly home, quickly.
Sis & I both started shooting ( even powder) at a young age & dutifully took our Hunter's Safety courses, also. Kids taught good habits, even at Kindergarten age, tend to hold on to good teaching...a society that fails to embrace gun safety training & indeed, shooting sports, does itself a disservice.
 
Good behaviour starts at the bottom... My three girls have all been taught to shoot and they don't bat an eyelid at seeing guns in the house. They know what they're capable of if they're misused. As always, education is key! 🙂

Callie (my 13 year old) has recently been made Junior Captain at my club so she has the responsibility for making sure new junior members are welcomed properly and shown the ropes. She'll also be doing the Range Conducting Officer's course in a couple of weeks. While she can't be a full RCO/RO until she's 18, she can still 'take charge' of the range with an adult to oversee her. 🙂

This was Callie on Thursday evening very comfortably popping off 7.62mm rounds with no issues. 😁

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These are the sort of people we don't want in the hobby/sport. Unfortunately I think these types of people are alot more common than we think, and these sort of people are the ones who are going to swing the government towards licensing for all airguns. Then we will loose a lot of great people who are responsible shooters, and knowledge lost.
 
I’ve recently dug my 77 out and my six year old remembered about a little Salvia I was given a couple of years ago. He asked if I could get it out so he could hold it.

I reminded him that he’s not to point it at people or animals and he promptly reeled off the other rules he had remembered when he was told at four years old.

He knew if he broke the rules he wouldn’t be able to have it again and was explaining everything to his older brother who lacks his common sense. I was pretty proud of how he adhered to what I had said and wouldn’t have an issue with him shooting it when he’s older.
 
I am 54 but the school I went to had shooting as an activity, air and rimfire at 50m and was very popular

I can’t imagine that’s still a thing these days 😢
 
Some times its just idiot talk .
If he as a chrono he must know the law and most likely how to up a springer.
Bet he did 140mph getting to the shop
You know the sort
 
rockdrill said:
There was one who chimed in on that very matter, but got way with it and a lot of other shit by playing the 'age' card before finally being booted for posting stupid crap.
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Many defended him each time he screwed up and used the age card. He was not as dottled as he tried to make out.

His last dodgy sale was not a one off either.
 
Some schools still teach airgun and how to prep food they have shot .

West Rise School is one who hit the headlines around 8 years ago . some supported it and the rest called it out as usual.
 
I shot at school in the 70's, first on an meteors and then .22 live ammo. We had a trip to the local t.a's, I already had an airgun though.
It wasnt compulsary, we also learnt to drive an old banger about,
Iirc it was for the over 14's.
 
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