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Hunting Police response

Mike Nesbitt said:
The OP did the right thing, cooperation is key even if you think police are being OTT, that can always be sorted later.
You never know what report the officers have received and in this day and age why should they drop their guard and risk not going home to their families.
During my time in the police I was tasked to minor matters where lives were actually lost and Urgent 999's which turned out to be nothing.
We had a mantra You never know what you are dealing with till its all over.
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Exactly what I said while we was having the laugh about it after. Yes while a young 30 year old male, sat on a stool pointing what could be mistaken for a real steel (ap900) at some bushes could be conceived as odd, it also could have been somthing more sinister if an mp or somone like that lived in the houses near by. I dont blame them for responding or even the person who rang in, it was Iver quick enough. Just inconvenient lol
 
I have had Armed Police stop me but they did not have their firearms out or the Bork bork nom nom ( Dog ).
They were MOD Police and would stop me anytime they saw me and ask me to come and speak to them which I did not mind doing as they were only doing their job.

Only ever had one stop with them that I did not like as the Officer was being a knob and showing off to the Rookie he had with him.

I would call into the guardhouse to given them the heads up I would be in the fields with a firearm but they would still stop me if they saw me in the fields .
 
From another post I made a while back.

I ring 101 and explain that I'm an authorised/licenced shooter and would like to speak to the area Control Room to inform them of my intent. They log the information and give me a generic incident number. In Humberside it's called a Lamping Log, other forces may differ.

The benefits are numerous. For one, it is easier for the Police to allay any fears if a member of the public call them. Two, they know exactly where you are via postcode or what.three.words and it is useful if you get into difficulties. Three, as an FAC holder it evidences usage and good reason to own and four, you build up a rapport with an authority who are often, (quite wrongly in my opinion), viewed in a bad light.
 
Shultz & Larsen said:
From another post I made a while back.

I ring 101 and explain that I'm an authorised/licenced shooter and would like to speak to the area Control Room to inform them of my intent. They log the information and give me a generic incident number. In Humberside it's called a Lamping Log, other forces may differ.

The benefits are numerous. For one, it is easier for the Police to allay any fears if a member of the public call them. Two, they know exactly where you are via postcode or what.three.words and it is useful if you get into difficulties. Three, as an FAC holder it evidences usage and good reason to own and four, you build up a rapport with an authority who are often, (quite wrongly in my opinion), viewed in a bad light.
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I was told on several occasion that irrespective of lodging a call with the control room, they will attend anyway regardless, making the whole process a waste of time, taxpayers money and valuable resources, and it has happened to my shooting buddy on 2 occasions

I guess it will differ force to force, some have policies which cater for this some maybe don’t
 
YES
we always phone 101and take my licence and insurance etc now if we are going night shooting once lying on the foor with a couple of rifles pointed at me and shouting is enough for me
when it was sorted i had to go home and change me pants :poop:
 
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A few years ago I had a confrontation with a trespasser on my shoot. . She was the very picture of a stereotype "country lady" right down to her green wellies and two black labradors, plus she was arrogantly "entitled" in every way. . She was exercising her dogs, and spotted me with a rifle, which wasn't difficult as I was shooting rabbits from my car.

I confronted her to politely tell her she was on private property. She hit the roof... and told me I had no right to be shooting there. . . And, full of animated anger, she called the police. While she was talking (shouting, actually) on the phone, I said, "Don't forget to tell them it's an air rifle."

The police came. It was just a normal patrol car but with two officers onboard. . She told them (loudly) she had been exercising her dogs on that piece of land for almost 40 years... whereupon, the police told her she had been trespassing for the last 40 years.
After checking my paperwork, they also educated her that I had full permission to shoot on the land 24 hours a day.

The policeman was not as polite as me... he told her to bugger off and never come back.
The "lady" looked like a balloon which had just had all the air let out of it.
 
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Wing Commander said:
A few years ago I had a confrontation with a trespasser on my shoot. . She was the very picture of a stereotype "country lady" right down to her green wellies, two black labradorite, plus she was arrogantly "entitled" in every way. . She was exercising her dogs, and spotted me with a rifle, which wasn't difficult as I was shooting rabbits from my car.

I confronted her to politely tell her she was on private property. She hit the roof... and told me I had no right to be shooting there. . . And, full of animated anger, she called the police. While she was talking (shouting, actually) on the phone, I said, "Don't forget to tell them it's an air rifle."

The police came. It was just a normal patrol car but with two officers onboard. . She told them (loudly) she had been exercising her dogs on that piece of land for almost 40 years... whereupon, the police told her she had been trespassing for the last 40 years.
After checking my paperwork, they also educated her that I had full permission to shoot on the land 24 hours a day.

The policeman was not as polite as me... he told her to bugger off and never come back.
The "lady" looked like a balloon which had just had all the air let out of it.
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Had similar, 1st thing I did was hit record on the phone, she thought the farmer left margins around the field so people could walk their dogs!!!!!!

The husband appears next tells me he know’s he shouldn’t be there then carries on regardless, gave description to farmer, he knew who they were, by all accounts popped round and asked them when they were trespassing, problem went away shortly after that.
 
Dan giliballs said:
I was told on several occasion that irrespective of lodging a call with the control room, they will attend anyway regardless, making the whole process a waste of time, taxpayers money and valuable resources, and it has happened to my shooting buddy on 2 occasions

I guess it will differ force to force, some have policies which cater for this some maybe don’t
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Yes, completely accept that it's different forces for different courses, Humberside are quite amiable and glad that we/I do it and it builds up that rapport which I think is a good thing to have.

A couple of years ago I was out with a stalker and he took a call on his mobile, (vibrate alert ;)). Police were asking for certain if it was us in such and such location because the stalk took in quite a large area. The Police had been informed beforehand but on this occasion the postcode that the lead stalker used took in more land than we were authorised to be over. All very relaxed and not a hint of panic in both camps and not a sign of an ARV, this is why I advocate what.three.words.
 
Shultz & Larsen said:
Yes, completely accept that it's different forces for different courses, Humberside are quite amiable and glad that we/I do it and it builds up that rapport which I think is a good thing to have.

A couple of years ago I was out with a stalker and he took a call on his mobile, (vibrate alert ;)). Police were asking for certain if it was us in such and such location because the stalk took in quite a large area. The Police had been informed beforehand but on this occasion the postcode that the lead stalker used took in more land than we were authorised to be over. All very relaxed and not a hint of panic in both camps and not a sign of an ARV, this is why I advocate what.three.words.
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Had the boys out a few times and every occasion were brilliant, no complaint’s whatsoever, got to the point where we just got a wave as they knew us by sight and by name, a couple we from the villages were we in too
 
A lot of due diligence is required when shooting near public areas.
I have some old run down farms buildings that have a ferel pigeon problem that I shoot on for a local farmer and its a bit of a headache as it has a cricket pitch next to it on one side and its also right next to an A road so I have to be very discreet.
I'm actually loosing this particular perm as the farm has been sold and it changes hands on April 1st and to be honest im quite happy to give it up for the aforementioned reasons.

A while back i was asked by my village hall committee to help clear the local football pitch of rabbits but i politely declined as it has a play area at the top end and is surrounded on three sides by an access road & an A road and also dog walkers seem to use it at all hours and in all honesty looked a legal nightmare.
Apparently one of the old committee members used to pop down occasionally with his old spring gun to pop the odd rabbit off,so god knows how he never got into bother 🙄
 
I have permission on two local golf courses, one of which has half the course on one side of the road and the other half on the other side. The road can get reasonably busy but not until about 6.30.I shoot at about 3.30am till it gets light. When I cross the road I always unload take out mag ( Ruger 10/22) and put it in the slip. There are one or two houses in a couple of spots near the edges of the courses. I have always debated with myself if I should inform police when I am going on the courses, but just get the feeling that it could cause more issues than it solves, over zealous officers digging into everything.etc. Not that there is anything to hide, all insured written permission etc etc. Still always wonder if I should. I am in W. Yorks.
 
Dan giliballs said:
I was told on several occasion that irrespective of lodging a call with the control room, they will attend anyway regardless, making the whole process a waste of time, taxpayers money and valuable resources, and it has happened to my shooting buddy on 2 occasions

I guess it will differ force to force, some have policies which cater for this some maybe don’t
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This is how it is, they attend anyway! So despite you informing the control room, getting a log number, your vehicle number and having the correct paperwork, they still drop in just to see if everything is OK.
 
You definite don't to be messing with regular police that are armed ( ie std coppers who carry when needed,) Not Specialist firearms . Big difference in training and hence competence !
If you must take firearms of any to a not so rural spot - phone it in ! but be aware someone might still not have got the memo .
 
Wing Commander said:
A few years ago I had a confrontation with a trespasser on my shoot. . She was the very picture of a stereotype "country lady" right down to her green wellies and two black labradors, plus she was arrogantly "entitled" in every way. . She was exercising her dogs, and spotted me with a rifle, which wasn't difficult as I was shooting rabbits from my car.

I confronted her to politely tell her she was on private property. She hit the roof... and told me I had no right to be shooting there. . . And, full of animated anger, she called the police. While she was talking (shouting, actually) on the phone, I said, "Don't forget to tell them it's an air rifle."

The police came. It was just a normal patrol car but with two officers onboard. . She told them (loudly) she had been exercising her dogs on that piece of land for almost 40 years... whereupon, the police told her she had been trespassing for the last 40 years.
After checking my paperwork, they also educated her that I had full permission to shoot on the land 24 hours a day.

The policeman was not as polite as me... he told her to bugger off and never come back.
The "lady" looked like a balloon which had just had all the air let out of it.
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I'd say you were very lucky to have the police respond the way they did in that situation.
 
Another example of police interaction was being told "perhaps you should call it a night, we've had a lot of calls ". When I reminded them I was perfectly entitled to be there, with all the available paperwork at hand, they still persisted in me "moving on". I said and that I would leave when I had finished. That's when there attitude changed and I decided in the the long term it probably was better to just leave.
 
Wing Commander said:
A few years ago I had a confrontation with a trespasser on my shoot. . She was the very picture of a stereotype "country lady" right down to her green wellies and two black labradors, plus she was arrogantly "entitled" in every way.
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Unfortunately that sort of scenario isn't unusual. Not long ago we had some hassle with a lady walking her dog up a farm track between two fields that we were riding down. "This isn't a bridleway you know!" she shouted. It isn't a public footpath either, but we had permission from the landowner to use it and she didn't Homer face palm
 
Well some 'concerned' person obviously phoned the police and when that happens they are duty bound to turn up and investigate. Failing to do so and should something happen the police would be crucufied in the media and rightly so most would think.
Having said that i do sometimes feel that their response is a bit over the top in some of these cases, from what i've seen on TV, but this is probably done for two reasons,firstly it reassures the public that the police have the situation under control and secondly that the offender or possible offender has no option other than to comply with the police's instructions
If two officers turned up in this particular incident then that seems prefectly proportional.
The days of sending a lone police officer are over, times have changed, and even if they hadn't it would be a reckless decision to do so anyway.
There have been cases where an officer acting alone in cases where weapons have been involved have been injured or killed.
Sometimes when these calls to the police are made about someone with a firearm they are perhaps made out of genuine concern but they often made by mischief making individuals simply for the 'fun' of it or they're simply anti gun/shooting.
They can do this with impunity because should they be taken to task for making such a call they simply say, "well we're told to be vigilant and report anything suspicious so i thought i was doing the right thing" and the police have to accept that as they can't prove otherwise even though the call was made out of malice or mischief.
Having said that i expect the police know that the majority of these calls are either false alarms or minor incidents but they have to respond they have no option.
I suppose the best thing to do is if you're out shooting on land that the public has access to is to inform the police of your intentions before setting off. They may still attend but if they've had prior notice they may adopt a lighter touch.
 
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Patrick said:
Well some 'concerned' person obviously phoned the police and when that happens they are duty bound to turn up and investigate. Failing to do so and should something happen the police would be crucufied in the media and rightly so most would think.
Having said that i do sometimes feel that their response is a bit over the top in some of these cases, from what i've seen on TV, but this is probably done for two reasons,firstly it reassures the public that the police have the situation under control and secondly that the offender or possible offender has no option other than to comply with the police's instructions
If two officers turned up in this particular incident then that seems prefectly proportional.
The days of sending a lone police officer are over, times have changed, and even if they hadn't it would be a reckless decision to do so anyway.
There have been cases where an officer acting alone in cases where weapons have been involved have been injured or killed.
Sometimes when these calls to the police are made about someone with a firearm they are perhaps made out of genuine concern but they often made by mischief making individuals simply for the 'fun' of it or they're simply anti gun/shooting.
They can do this with impunity because should they be taken to task for making such a call they simply say, "well we're told to be vigilant and report anything suspicious so i thought i was doing the right thing" and the police have to accept that as they can't prove otherwise even though the call was made out of malice or mischief.
Having said that i expect the police know that the majority of these calls are either false alarms or minor incidents but they have to respond they have no option.
I suppose the best thing to do is if you're out shooting on land that the public has access to is to inform the police of your intentions before setting off. They may still attend but if they've had prior notice they may adopt a lighter touch.
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never remember been told about any copper being shot by a legal gun owner out shooting being intentional that is . Tackling serious crime on the streets yeah many Police officers sure . could you elaborate this case ?
 
Bowland Blades said:
never remember been told about any copper being shot by a legal gun owner out shooting being intentional that is . Tackling serious crime on the streets yeah many Police officers sure . could you elaborate this case ?
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That isn't what was said at all.
 
Bowland Blades said:
never remember been told about any copper being shot by a legal gun owner out shooting being intentional that is . Tackling serious crime on the streets yeah many Police officers sure . could you elaborate this case ?
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I wasn't suggesting that any policeman has been shot by a legal gun owner while they're out shooting either intentionally or accidentally.
I was simply referring to the fact that when the police get one of these calls about someone with gun they have to assume that it could be dangerous situation although in most cases they know that it won't be.
They have to assess the situation at face value and with the information they've been given which is often very little, usually something like "i've just seen a guy with gun at such a place" and very little other information.
Yes many of these calls to the police are fales alarms but they(police) cannot take any chances and have to treat every one as serious. They simply cannot just say, Oh it was probably just some guy out shooting and leave it at that.
And sending a single officer to investigate a possible firearms incident is simply just reckless.
The police officer who was shot and blinded by Raoul Moat was on his own.
Then was the two WPCs who were shot and killed by David Cregan in a gun ambush when responding to a so-called burglary report.
It was incidents like these that cause the police to act the way they now do when firearms or other weapons are mentioned.
 
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