New section 1 shotgun laws coming

Mjd237 said:
Nothing quite possibly about it, its there in black and white.
Do you have FAC shotgun?
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I was not disputing your statement: it’s a turn of phrase.

Personally not re sec 1 shotgun, but I’m on the board of our clay club and we often discuss certification issues both at committee meetings and routinely when they arise on a case-by-case basis. We are in very close touch with Glos firearms department over many things. We have members from many surrounding counties, and are situated in northern Glos near the county border, but most members are Gloucestershire and West-Mercia ticket holders. This includes those using sec 1 shotguns on our premises.
 
Mattjb said:
Unfortunately basc doesn’t always have the correct info, now I’m not saying the info I have been given is correct but I spoke with Charlie from field sports Britain and he has also heard about it but from a different angle. It was that the general license will be changing to state no higher capacity than 3 shot can be used. Which basically means the same thing. If you apply for a shotgun on a section one for vermin it will be denied as the general license doesn’t allow it. Hence the reason for it only being granted for practical shooting.

Again not saying any of this is gospel but it all is started to make sense on what’s been heard from different people
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Don't think Natural England and it's counterparts in the rest of the UK can dictate what and how a shotgun can be used in relation to the General Licences.
Dead is dead no matter how many shots are used or available let's be honest how many shot Gunners with a Semi auto/Pump action actually hit with every shot they fire?????
I certainly don't 🤨😎
 
Mjd237 said:
Don't think Natural England and it's counterparts in the rest of the UK can dictate what and how a shotgun can be used in relation to the General Licences.
Dead is dead no matter how many shots are used or available let's be honest how many shot Gunners with a Semi auto/Pump action actually hit with every shot they fire?????
I certainly don't 🤨😎
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Instead of asking basc why don’t you ring your FAO and see if they have heard anything about it?

I would keep a close eye on this as I don’t think it’s as simple as basc say it’s not true so case closed.

Remember when the lead ban was announced and basc came out in support of it and had been consulting with government about it but kept quiet until the announcement was made?
 
Mattjb said:
Instead of asking basc why don’t you ring your FAO and see if they have heard anything about it?

I would keep a close eye on this as I don’t think it’s as simple as basc say it’s not true so case closed.

Remember when the lead ban was announced and basc came out in support of it and had been consulting with government about it but kept quiet until the announcement was made?
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Never once have I mentioned BASC.
Getting a touch defensive there with your reply 😎.
Personally got better things to do than phone the firearms dept and ask about a random rumour on a forum m8 👍
 
Mjd237 said:
Don't think Natural England and it's counterparts in the rest of the UK can dictate what and how a shotgun can be used in relation to the General Licences.
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They do on individual licences, stating minimum calibre/gauge and minimum shot size. As well as other factors. They can change or revoke the general licences as well.
 
Skid said:
They do on individual licences, stating minimum calibre/gauge and minimum shot size. As well as other factors. They can change or revoke the general licences as well.
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Maybe so on an "Individual Licence" But on a General Licence then it's a grey area and wouldn't be as simple as saying this is what's required from now on. When in the eyes of the law as it stands and HO Guidelines allows multi shot guns for pest control.
Wether you kill with one shot or several makes no difference Dead is Dead.
It's some of the wording in the thread that doesn't add up for me.
 
its a load of tosh i dont own a sec1 shotgun but if i wanted one for avion pest control i could have one. just been told that.
 
Charlie Jacoby is full of s**t and the total opposite of the representation shooting needs, I’m my opinion. I’d take anything he says with a large pinch of salt.
 
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I'd like to know what the reasoning would be for making it harder for people to perform pest control under the general licence, I mean I get the entire game shooting "sporting chance" thing but pest control?
Sounds feasible but pointless and silly.

I do wonder if this is a rumour that's been given some legs (and yes some FEOs are as guilty of repeating nonsense as anyone else).

Certainly one to keep an eye on.
 
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Mjd237 said:
Never once have I mentioned BASC.
Getting a touch defensive there with your reply 😎.
Personally got better things to do than phone the firearms dept and ask about a random rumour on a forum m8 👍
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Sorry my man, was in between jobs at work and responded to the wrong person. Certainly not being defensive either.

I hope as much as the next person this doesn’t come to anything more than me being misinformed but I can only go by the guidance of the FAO after all they are our first point of contact for keeping the right side of the law when it comes to the gun law.

Fingers crossed this isn’t another thing that is taken away from us 👍
 
It is not unknown for FEOs to band around their own interpretation of the rules, or what they would like to happen, and they then end up stating it as Gospel to certificate holders. This has happened before, with ‘interpretations’ spreading across different force areas. (I had one many years ago trying to convince me my cabinet was ‘no longer’ BS approved, as the locks weren’t countersunk - in my case Mike Eveleigh at BASC, ex-Police himself, sorted them out).

Whilst BASC are not always seemingly the quickest off the mark or always as defensive as we’d like, they are excellent on picking up on emerging trends where licensing is concerned. They train a lot of FEOs across the country, but also are not scared to put Police Forces right, where need be. If you take a look at the shooting press you can see record of where BASC have ‘Corrected’ Police Forces’ approach. The likes of Bill Harriman know their stuff and have gained well earned respect from the Police. I’m not aware of any instance where the Police have tried something, been rebuked by BASC, and then continued the same.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Labour's plan B if plan A doesn't amount to anything, so they can still say they've done something about shotguns? But then I could be wrong....it's been known 😂
 
Jester said:
I'd like to know what the reasoning would be for making it harder for people to perform pest control under the general licence, I mean I get the entire game shooting "sporting chance" thing but pest control?
Sounds feasible but pointless and silly.

I do wonder if this is a rumour that's been given some legs (and yes some FEOs are as guilty of repeating nonsense as anyone else).

Certainly one to keep an eye on.
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Even the sporting chance for game shooting doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you're allowed a pair of guns and a loader. Far less lost time with that compared to reloading a semi auto
 
valevelo said:
Even the sporting chance for game shooting doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you're allowed a pair of guns and a loader. Far less lost time with that compared to reloading a semi auto
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I suggest 3 barrelled steel-proofed punt gun mounted on an electric Land Rover, should keep everyone happy - its environment -friendly, low shot capacity and mass destruction assured.
 
DOCTRAMP said:
its a load of tosh i dont own a sec1 shotgun but if i wanted one for avion pest control i could have one. just been told that.
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That's a bit of a u turn for North Wales police I've mates that are keepers that can't get them! But me as a farm worker in Scotland it was almost expected id have one on my 1st renewal up here 😂
 
I'm left wondering if this directly relates to the original plan to do away with Section 2.

My first thought on that was 'if shotguns go section 1, I might aswell have a higher capacity magazine' (There are times it would come in useful for squirrel control).

Possibly this was the goverments intention all along, merge Section 2 into Section 1, then introduce an outright limit of 2+1 shots?
 
Freddy Spadock said:
I'm left wondering if this directly relates to the original plan to do away with Section 2.

My first thought on that was 'if shotguns go section 1, I might aswell have a higher capacity magazine' (There are times it would come in useful for squirrel control).

Possibly this was the goverments intention all along, merge Section 2 into Section 1, then introduce an outright limit of 2+1 shots?
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The recent change in licensing costs, which made a S2 + FAC only a few quid more was what tipped me over into getting FAC air (and has solved a range problem). My lad was also after a S2 cert but, again, because of the small cost difference is going S1+S2 from the outset.
 
Whilst I understand the frustration in this thread I had a franchi high capacity and loaded it with 11 shells of buckshot.
Shot up a burnt out car . Wow.!!
I thought how the hell have I got this ?
It was conditioned for pest, clays , slugs
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and practical.
A monsterous thing . Swapped the slot for a more practical 2nd fac air. I do miss it . Hello kitty limited edition. Far more dangerous than anything else . Never took more pigeons with it than I didn't take with a standard semi auto .
 
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