sagalout
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Here's one I was very pleased with
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What people consider is good accuracy for a sub 12 air rifle
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MikeyB
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100 yards is quite doable and repeatable (light winds accepted) and, residual ME is surprisingly high; 5.41 ft lb with a sub 12 .177 and 5.71 ft lb with a sub 12 .22 according to my Element Ballistic app.
Bren
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I’ve shot with Rob at Target and Tins and hitting bits of chalk the size of a 10p on the bank are 98yards is good fun, the hold over is massive and needs to be dailed in 
Trumpetier
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I'm happy shooting empty shotgun cartridges stood up and laid down at 35-45 yards. That'll do me 
If you are getting bored with the accuracy, challenge yourself to replicating the group from a free-kneeling and free-standing position.All,
Can I ask what people consider "normal" accuracy for a sub 12 air rifle?
You often hear pellet on pellet at 50 yards blah, blah, but is this considered normal, exceptional or an exaggeration?
Why do I ask? I'm relatively new to PCP shooting and have come back to air rifles in general after many years away. I used to shoot at around 20 meters with my old springer, but I'm now shooting at about 38 meters outdoors on my garden range. I've gone from 40mm spinners, to 20mm spinners to 1" bullseye targets. The spinners were getting a bit tedious as they were easy to hit (I'm working on some 10mm ones to fix that) so I moved to paper targets and this is where I'm beginning to wonder if I'm chasing a unicorn.
I can hit that 5p groups often enough, but I do get flyers that frustrate me, even with sorted and weighed pellets (I've tried many pellets and settled on JSP Exact 8.44, 4.52s). Part of the problem could of course be me and I've tried to improve my technique, but I'm now thinking that maybe I need to move on from my "beginner PCP". I will not name the rifle I have as this is not about a criticism of that.
So I ask, do the likes of the HW100, S510, Daystate Hunstman/Wolverine/Red Wolf etc. really achieve consistent pellet on pellet at 40m or is this just the exception and are 5p groups more the achievable norm?
I know there are many factors at play here, but will an upgrade to my rifle really help me achieve better/more consistent accuracy? Do I need to make the jump from my sub £500 rifle to a seriously premium rifle or are most 3 figure rifles all similar in terms of accuracy once you learn how to shoot them effectively? I do like the mag system on the HW100, but really don't want to still be chasing that unicorn. If I upgrade I want my technique to be holding me back and not my equipement
Thoughts?
Chris
Yes, true, but is hardly "the norm" though is it?
We sometimes shoot empty shot gun cartridges at the end of our range, just under 50m, so whats that about 18mm target, but its just for fun.
Not sure I agree with that statement
I’m consistently shooting at 100yrds plus …… some of the lads at the range are shooting golfballs at 200 yrds (not me I hasten add)Smudgerii
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The problem is people think the longer ranges are out of reach...put in the time and practice practice and practice some more and with the way tech is moving on its just getting easier...people just need to broaden their horizons and stop holding back listening to die hards who think 40 / 50 yards is the max
valevelo
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"Outdoors" isn't exactly an equal descriptor either. Middle of a field by the coast vs a wood in the middle of the country with a berm down the side.
At Chez Scoie, the wind is always a factor. Groups will elongate horizontally more than vertically. At Fitzgibbon’s it is a bit more sheltered so this sort of thing is possible at 70 yards. Top circle is 35mm, bottom is 15mm. This is sub-12 FX Crown with 0.177” Exact Heavies.
Could hit the 35mm everytime, but chasing the 15mm meant the group size is bigger than 35mm!
Paynut
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Put into context, personal opinion only
Depends on shooting discipline
“5p” group, useless in benchrest, just get away with it bell target perhaps.
In the field is where it counts at acceptable distances.
The above, 35mts tops, my max range at home or out and about.
Consistent results as in 5p groups on paper and cutting playing cards edge on, money shots in the field.
As for plinking, I don’t do ranges or clubs, so anything above my max to me would be pointless, for fun only.
Those out there and no disrespect, crack on with it, enjoy and good shooting
Depends on shooting discipline
“5p” group, useless in benchrest, just get away with it bell target perhaps.
In the field is where it counts at acceptable distances.
The above, 35mts tops, my max range at home or out and about.
Consistent results as in 5p groups on paper and cutting playing cards edge on, money shots in the field.
As for plinking, I don’t do ranges or clubs, so anything above my max to me would be pointless, for fun only.
Those out there and no disrespect, crack on with it, enjoy and good shooting
sagalout
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Matt@Nearfield
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When it comes to encouraging people to do what they want that makes them happy, and certainly challenging themselves that's a hill I'm more than willing to die on.
I think you may have had a bit of an onslaught for the way you wrote your original post. But as I say, challenging yourself is always to be encouraged
Matt@Nearfield
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Doesn't make much sense when you think about it... don't they say aim small, mis small
Wing Commander
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Shooting at short range will produce tight groups, and is a good place to begin practising at.
Shooting at longer ranges is strangely addictive. . 50 yards (bench-rested) is typically a good benchmark.
Groups which can be covered by a 5p-piece at 50 yards is a personal level to aim for (no pun intended)... and no, it isn't an exaggeration. But we usually wait for gentle weather before attempting it.
My airgun club has some efficient windbreaks at the sides which helps to reduce the effects of wind when pushing out to longer ranges, but we still prefer calm days.
I've converted alot of people up the range and we get a right proper buzz when theres a few of us " competing " to hit the 70 yard plus targets.. 20mm bell targets at 70...20 to 40mm spinners at 86 yards and as mentioned by Bren shooting stones and chalk at 98 yards it gets addictive really addictive ..so when it comes to 50 yards or less its just to easy and dare I say boring ... I only shoot those shorter distances to check the zero and Bc settings on my scopes before I go out pest controlling...push the boundaries lads you will thank me later
Doesn't make much sense when you think about it... don't they say aim small, mis small
But it is funny when you are really trying to get a small group, you screw it up! I shot CORPSAAM and Bisley100 when in the Army and everyone’s scores would increase 5-10% in ‘competition’ compared to exactly the same practise in training, except a mate of mine who’s scores would improve by 10% in competition, he loved it. He did win CORPSAAM that year and came 3rd overall in the Army I think. An excellent shot…
As already said what do you want it for.. I was shooting rabbits regularly at 40 to 50 yards with my redwolf safari in 177 using mako slugs . I’ve also got a hw100 in.22 which is shooting jsb hades spot on at most ranges from 15 to 40 yards . I wouldn’t go further than 40 yards with the 22 and 50 yards is my max on bunnies with the 177 .I only go for headshots … if you can put pellet on pellet or 5p grouping at 40 yards why want anything else . Just use your field craft if your after live stuff to shoot.